Social Engineering Hackers: A Chilling Real-World Example from a Bitcoin OG
A cautionary tale about social engineering hackers with a real-world example
One of my favorite bitcoin podcasters has been turning the tables on social engineering hackers by interviewing them during their futile attempts to steal his Bitcoin. As a lawyer in the Bitcoin field, I’ve become all too familiar with social engineering and cryptocurrency scams. Most crypto banks require Bitcoin ATM operators to outright ban women over 55 because generally if they’re using a kiosk, they are getting scammed.
Anyone working or participating in the crypto markets needs to understand the deceptive tactics these social engineers are using. This interview between the renowned host of Bitcoin Uncensored and Junseth’s world, Junseth, convinces these young social engineers to open up about their scam.
This is the chilling transcript of the social engineer hacking trying to happen and what social engineers do to hack crypto holders.
Transcription of the social engineer hacker trying to trick Bitcoin OG Junseth
Please note: This transcript is for educational purposes only.
Daniel: Providing that email address as well as that common password. I do have an attempt to switch the number on the account, but since the location was unusual, I’m going to place that on the automatic hold.
Junseth: Well, thank you, David.
Daniel: Okay. Well, what we’re going to go ahead and do today is set you up with a temporary password for the next 48 hours while our specialists fully go over everything. And that’s going to be sent to the number ending in 4155. Do you currently have access to that number?
Junseth: I do
Daniel: Okay, perfect. So just let me know once you do receive that.
Junseth: Okay. I got it.
Daniel: You got it?
Junseth: Mm-hmm
Daniel: Okay, perfect. It’s going to be active here for the next one to two minutes. What I’m going to go ahead do as well is update the API G&A account just to ensure even more safety. I want to do that. May I ask, how was your day today?
Junseth: Very well, you?
Daniel: Good. It’s a nice day. Alright, I’m going to go ahead and process this for you. So for 48 hours, you’re going to go ahead and use the password that was sent to you. And after those 48 hours are up, you’ll also receive an email kind of going over the attempt as well as informing you that you are able to change your password.
Junseth: Oh okay
Daniel: And this is going to be sent over to junseth at gmail.com
Junseth: Okay
Daniel: Okay, perfect. So if you could go ahead and navigate over to your phone, you should receive a notification for account security. Did you get that?
Junseth: I did
Daniel: You didn’t?
Junseth: I did
Daniel: Oh, you did? Okay, perfect. Go ahead and tap on that, and it should say account recovery, correct?
Junseth: Mm-hmm
Daniel: Okay, perfect. You’re going to want to do yes and 53, and just let me know once that’s done.
Junseth: I have one quick question, Caleb.
Daniel: Yep. Oh, my name’s Daniel.
Junseth: Oh I’m sorry, Daniel. What’s your last name?
Daniel: Fowler
Junseth: Fowler…Daniel… Does your mother know that you scam people for a living?
Daniel: I don’t know…
Junseth: Calling them, trying to change their passwords. You know, you don’t work for Google. Google doesn’t have my info.
Daniel: If you’d like, I can go ahead and shoot you over an email, kind of confirming.
Junseth: Oh yeah, go ahead and send me an email, Daniel, please.
Daniel: Sure, it’ll be directly from a Google domain as well.
Junseth: Oh, wow. Uh-huh, you’re going to spoof it, huh?
Daniel: There’s no way to spoof at Google.com.
Junseth: You can’t spoof a header?
Daniel: …due to Google owning it.
Junseth: Daniel, you’re an evil person. Your mom is disappointed.
Daniel: Um, well, I made a hundred grand yesterday
Junseth: You made a hundred grand, huh?
Daniel: Yeah, it was pretty nice
Junseth: From old people or from whom?
Daniel: No, he was like 40
Junseth: One guy who was 40? Are you a f**?
Daniel: I’m not a f**. Actually, I just got my d*** before this call.
Junseth: By a guy?
Daniel: Today, I’m thinking I want to make around like $60k today.
Junseth: Daniel, where do you live? You live in America?
Daniel: Of course
Junseth: Yeah? Out in California?
Daniel: Yep
Junseth: Nah, you don’t
Daniel: Yeah?
Junseth: Yeah? Where in California? San Francisco?
Daniel: Yep!
Junseth: You just saying yes to stuff?
Daniel: What’s up?
Junseth: You just saying yes to stuff?
Daniel: No, not actually
Junseth: Okay. How do I get this job? I want this job.
Daniel: It’s honestly not that bad. You just…you just…It’s like social engineering, you know? You just kind of just call and you know. So like for example, you have money in crypto, right?
Junseth: I would never answer that
Daniel: Yeah, but I’m saying, like, I already know that you do.
Junseth: Okay
Daniel: That’s the nice part about it, like, it’s kind of like, you know who has money in crypto, right? You ring them up, and once you hack their Gmail, you can literally just log into, because you think they’re Google Authenticators and stuff, you can log into Coinbase, Kraken, Gemini, all exchanges, and just send it out. It’s fantastic.
Junseth: Yeah, but did you hire yourself then, or are you working for a company? Did you apply for this?
Daniel: No, no, no. Solo, obviously. There’s no like company for hacking.
Junseth: I mean, it’s a crazy job, dude. You guys call me 400 times a day.
Daniel: Really?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: Yeah, I’ll tell my friends to stop rerunning the same list. My bad. I’ll remove you from it.
Junseth: Really?
Daniel: Yeah
Junseth: Why do you do it?
Daniel: Um, honestly, dude, I mean like, who doesn’t want to drive around McLarens and shit? Like, I literally just got a McLaren. It’s like at a young—I’m not gonna say my exact age, but I’m young, you know what I mean? It’s crazy.
Junseth: Are you really making $100,000 a day?
Daniel: No, not $100,000 a day.
Junseth: How much do you actually make?
Daniel: Okay, I made $10K yesterday. The day before that I made $105k, which was very nice. So I’m consistently, I think $10K a day, but consistently.
Junseth: So you’re making $300,000 a month?
Daniel: Ah, yeah, but not including, like let’s say I get a big hit, one day I always do the add on. So some days it’ll be like $40-50K.
Junseth: When you say make, you mean like you’re taking that much out of someone’s account and putting it into yours?
Daniel: But it’s all crypto though, it’s all crypto.
Junseth: What’s the majority, Bitcoin, Ethereum, majority?
Daniel: Um. depends on the type of—for example, we just hit something the other day, it was like $900K. I only got like a $100k from it because so many of my friends have helped me $900k.
Junseth: $900k…?
Daniel: Yeah, it’s kind of ridiculous. Like people just give up their seed phrases and just like I don’t know like, like how are you that into crypto, right? You know how like everything works. You obviously invest massive amounts of money into it and they still give up codes, seed phrases, all that like, like what?
Junseth: How in the f*****…?
Daniel: Codes, seed phrases, all that, like what? How in the world, man? And you’d be surprised, man. There’s like infinite of these people, just stupid people, like infinite.
Junseth: Okay, how do you cash out? Because that seems like the hardest part.
Daniel: How do I cash out?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: No, it’s not hard at all. Oh, you mean like get it to actual money?
Junseth: Yeah, how do you buy McLaren with your crypto?
Daniel: Oh, well first-off, a lot of like people that I know in real life, they’ll literally accept crypto for cars. So a lot of the stuff I can simply just buy in crypto.
Junseth: Are you not mixing?
Daniel: But I also have people that I can send them crypto and they’ll just give me cash or zel me whatever.
Junseth: Are you not mixing?
Daniel: Am I not, what do you mean, like cleaning it?
Junseth: Yeah.
Daniel: Yeah, of course I’m cleaning it. You swap over to XMR first, you hold that XMR in a new wallet for like two days, like a fresh wallet on a different device.
Junseth: So you get the inputs.
Daniel: …And then you swap at whatever point after that.
Junseth: So your outputs are different than your inputs.
Daniel: Yeah, so, it’s sick. But I am curious, because this is like new data, so I’m kind of curious. I’m not gonna like—I obviously can’t do anything now because this is all social engineering attacks. But, um, like I’m curious, how much do you have so I can tell my friends?
Junseth: I won’t say
Daniel: No, like we can’t hack you anymore
Junseth: Your data’s—you all—you can’t hack me because it’s social engineering, but your friends’ data is good.
Daniel: It is, it is?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: Ohhhh, beautiful, beautiful dude. Dude, we got into a $1.2 mil swan CPC the other day. It’s currently on a three-day wait so we’re waiting for that to unlock and then we’ll get a nice little…my friend, my friend called up on some old guy. In his CV, this was his first call of the day. He called up, the guy had $555K in his Coinbase, right?
Junseth: Mm-hmm
Daniel: He said that he was gonna get him to vault Bitcoin, like to place it in a BC vault, and he literally texted him the address and said, yeah, this is Coinbase Vault, and the guy sent over $555K by himself. Like, what, why would you do that? That’s ridiculous.
Junseth: Holy s***
Daniel: I signed up to pay $500K yesterday.
Junseth: So if you get it, you get it. Like, if you’re the one that gets the withdrawal, you get it.
Daniel: Um, well, no, like I’m doing my friend’s data, so it’s like 50-50, so whatever I’ll get, I’ll give them 50%.
Junseth: Nice. So, okay, so you’re, oh, I get it. So your friend is giving you guys a list. He gives you the program, he does the calls, and then if you guys get it, he gets 50%, you get 50%.
Daniel: Yeah, but it’s kind of like annoying, though, like sitting here and calling and calling, but it’s fun once you start getting on the street. Like, for example, yesterday I hit like four emails like in a row.
Junseth: How many calls a day?
Daniel: …you get like a little ego boost because you’re just smacking them back to back to back.
Junseth: How many calls a day?
Daniel: Um, it’s a good question. I don’t know. I like to start, like I wake up, I go drop off my girlfriend and stuff at home. And then I like to start and just pretty much call till like 7pm or 8pm. And then I stop. Like, eh, 8pm to 9pm actually. EST, that’s kind of when a lot of people are off work around like 6pm, so it’s nice, around like that time.
Junseth: So you’re in California, so you’re starting at like 6am?
Daniel: No, starting at like 12pm.
Junseth: Oh, like three hours ahead.
Daniel: Yeah, I’m starting at like 12pm.
Junseth: 6am is three hours behind, so you’re starting at noon-ish in California?
Daniel: Yeah
Junseth: So you’re starting calling people here at 3pm, that’s what that’s about when I start getting the calls, so that makes sense.
Daniel: Mmhm
Junseth: Interesting
Daniel: But like, it’s honestly, I don’t know, it’s not that hard. You don’t think of it like it’s real life. It’s almost like a video game.
Junseth: No, bro, you know what though. What are you, you’re 23-24?
Daniel: No, I’m way younger. Way younger.
Junseth: Dude, this is gonna land you in prison.
Daniel: I’m still a minor.
Junseth: …so hard.
Daniel: Ah, but that’s the thing though, first of all the punishment for this type of thing social engineering attack, the victim is willingly giving up everything. You know, I mean, he’s the one giving you the code, he’s the one doing everything. The sentences are very relaxed for this type of stuff. It’s gonna be like two years or less.
Junseth: But you’re gonna lose all the crypto. You’re gonna lose your car, you’re gonna lose your house, you’re gonna lose everything.
Daniel: Mm-hm, I have everything hidden. I have multiple Trezors, multiple ledgers. I have ledgers buried with like a few $100K in them. Like, it’s like, no matter what, like with my friend, he went to jail for three years, for, he simmed, he did a sim swap for like $1.4 mil. So he went to jail and they only confiscated $300K of it. So he still is a millionaire and he’s out right now, and he’s a millionaire. He did this a few years back.
Junseth: Interesting
Daniel: Yeah, I have friends with like genuinely $10 to $40 million dollars…
Junseth: So you guys don’t..
Daniel: …and they’re like 16-year-olds
Junseth: …you don’t care if you go to jail
Daniel: It’s not that I don’t care…
Junseth: Cuz you come out
Daniel: …it doesn’t happen, like no one gets arrested.
Junseth: But I mean like let’s say you get arrested you don’t care because you come out a few years later you have stuff hidden. That’s crazy.
Daniel: Yeah, but to be honest, we do everything correctly to not get arrested, like it’s like there’s no consequences.
Junseth: It’s nuts
Daniel: So you just clean the money, you just go on it, and then you don’t like buy anything with it directly.
Junseth: Well you bought a McLaren
Daniel: …you can’t cash out through any exchange. So it’s kinda, it’s like hard to like, like track it at all. Like in my own wallet right now, here let me look, on my phone Exodus, I have $107k in Bitcoin 1.7 coins.
Junseth: F***
Daniel: So it’s like it’s fun
Junseth: And the McLaren dealer takes Bitcoin?
Daniel: No, obviously it’s from private sellers. I have rich people that I know…
Junseth: Oh, I see. Interesting
Daniel: …yeah, I just give them money and they’ll give me totally like privately sell me the car.
Junseth: That’s crazy man, so you, okay, well that makes sense. So you have other stuff on the side than that you must do.
Daniel: Yes of course
Junseth: That’s crazy
Daniel: …it’s not a forever thing. I do like legal stuff as well, like I have like small legal side hustles like business isn’t s*** that I can like funnel through you know and like make everything just seem like like I’m like if you were to see me in real life I look like a regular child just a regular normal kid like a quick going to school. You know what I mean, like with my backpack and shit like you would never expect that this kid is stealing millions of dollars online.
Junseth: You f****** live with your parents? Can’t because you own McLaren, no way.
Daniel: Well, next year I’m thinking about getting a penthouse. So I’m excited for that. But that’s when school starts back up, because now it’s summer. So this summer my goal is one to two mil. That’s my goal this summer.
Junseth: How many of your friends do this?
Daniel: We have our small group, we’re like all, like I’m not personally a millionaire. I have like high six figures. But I have friends, yeah, like most of my friends have like around like $10 or something. They’re like all like millionaires.
Junseth: laughing
Daniel: And we all just do fun shit. Like for example, like two weeks ago, we went to a club in L.A., dropped like $130K on bottles. Just like stupid shit.
Junseth: Wow
Daniel: And then got like signs and shit, it was fun.
Junseth: My friend, that is, so okay, this is interesting to me. I’m older. So your generation has a contingent of people that are literally, I imagine your friend is a programmer, y’all are getting lists, I don’t know where you get them, probably from the dark web, and you’re making calls, running your own script, and social engineering to get people to give you their shit.
Daniel: Yeah, yeah, I have a developer. We just pay him, I think, a grand, and he sets up the bot for us. And it just auto-calls for actives. Like, for active people, because cold calling is so annoying. You have to sit there, no one picks up. It’s like you sit there for hours, you’re not getting any pickups. It’s like insane, and then, but with just actives, it’s so much better. Because when they press 1, you kind of know that they’re a r*****. So you just call them up and they fall for it.
Junseth: Oh, you’re qualifying
Daniel: Yeah
Junseth: I will say this is the cleverest one I’ve ever received, these calls asking for me to tell you whether I’m hacked or not.
Daniel: Dude, we are the best of the best. There’s a lot of people that do what we do, but they don’t do it to the extent that we do it.
Junseth: You know, you’re qualified leads. Okay, so like, let’s say you get 10 people to hit one. How many of them give you money?
Daniel: Majority
Junseth: F***
Daniel: Majority, definitely, ‘cause sometimes, there’s a lot of times, right, we’ll let hack the Gmail, sometimes they just don’t have their Google authenticator synced, so we can’t log into any exchanges. So I go through their Google photos, look for feeds. Like for example, yesterday, I hacked a Gmail and I went through his Google photos, I found his ,edger feed. I just simply sent out, it was like 30K in XRP. And then I split that with my friend.
Junseth: You got to hold that because it’s hard to get rid of XRP off exchange. I guess you give them the goldbugs.
Daniel: Yeah, I mean, it was taken directly from out of his ledger, so.
Junseth: So you just have a ledger there that you’re using to load up if you find a seed phrase.
Daniel: You don’t even need a ledger to load up a seed phrase.
Junseth: I suppose that’s true. You’re using Sparrow?
Daniel: Do you know what Trust Wallet is?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: TrustWallet? Exodus? All those things you don’t need a seed phrase to recover. So I’ll just paste it in there, click recover, bam. All the credit just pops up, just send it out.
Junseth: Interesting
Daniel: It’s really fun, honestly. It’s like the best job. I agree though, it is f***** up. You’re kind of like—
Junseth: It’s super f***** up, man
Daniel: …you’re social engineering unsuspecting people into taking their money. But like, I don’t know. Like if you’re like, if you can give up your seed phrase to someone over the phone like that, you don’t deserve it, like come on bro like, what?
Junseth: You come from a rich family or poor family
Daniel: um middle
Junseth: You’re a middle class kid?
Daniel: Yeah, I grew up great. I didn’t have a bad childhood. I love my childhood, I always got shit.
Junseth: and yet
Daniel: Like my first car was a Dodge Setback that my parents bought for me. And then—
Junseth: My first car and then was a Plymouth Horizon that heat or no and no air conditioning.
Daniel: Really?
Junseth: laughing
Daniel: And every then like, ever since I was little, I’ve always wanted Ferraris and all that nice stuff and now I can get it. You know what? I mean now it’s like I have so much fun It’s kind of like I have no stress at all. It’s like ultimate freedom. Like if I go to the store like we went to Rodeo Drive me and a few friends bought a $40,000k Louis Vuitton jacket for no reason just for fun. He doesn’t even wear it, we dropped like $200K at Rodeo Drive.
Junseth: So when is enough for you? When are you done?
Daniel: Oh, that’s, okay. So I hit something very, very big a few months ago. I’m not gonna say the amount, but I basically, that was gonna be my out. I was gonna do that, and I was done. I was gonna live my life, I was just gonna invest. I was gonna do stocks as well as trade, because I know how to day trade, and I enjoy it, it’s really fun. And I’m a very, like, I really enjoy finance. So that was kind of my goal, just live off that money, and turn it into more money. But unfortunately, my cut was snaked by my partner, he stole my cut, and deleted his account, and disappeared forever. So…but I would say my out is $4 mil. I would say that’s a valid amount.
Junseth: So you have a partner in this, or you did? So you get $4 million, so let’s say you get $2 million this summer, what, $2 million next summer, and then you’re done?
Daniel: Um, weah, well, honestly, if I make $2 mil this summer, then I would hope by the end of the year that I have $5 mil, ‘cause I’m still going to work during school time and stuff. I’ll just do it when I get back from school.
Junsethl: No college?
Daniel: In the future. In the future. I am going to go.
Junseth: So interesting, man
Daniel: Like, I’m not a dumb kid. I’ve always had all As in my whole life. I’m in all honors classes. I’m in all honors classes. I’m in all honors classes. I’m in all advanced placement classes, you know what I mean?
Junsethl: Yeah
Daniel: So like, either way, I think, even like with or without this s***, I think that I will succeed in life no matter what. This is just kind of giving me a head start, like I just have automatic ton of money to start off with, and then boom, I can create my own business, I can funnel it into trading and so on and just growing from there.
Junseth: So why do you guys pick names? Like you’re the first one to call me who doesn’t have two Bible names.
Daniel: Haha, well, people pick their own names. When I call Coinbases, I’m Eddie from Coinbase Consumer Protection Line.
Junseth: Okay
Daniel: But when I do Googles, I’m Daniel from Google’s customer care line just ‘cause, um, when we send out emails, cause I can like directly send emails from Google with my case IDs and everything…
Junseth: Yeah using Jolly your your your spoofing headers
Daniel: Um, it’s not even spoofing, it’s using Google Forms.
Junseth: Oh, okay, you should just—it’s interesting.
Daniel: But, um, it’s actually simple, but a lot of people just don’t know how to do it. But yeah, in that email, it’s like I have a pre-custom template and it says Daniel on it, so I just use that name.
Junseth: Interesting
Daniel: hm-mm
Junseth: Do you have to buy the program from your friend?
Daniel: Which one?
Junseth: The one that gives you the lists
Daniel: Oh, the one that gives me the lists?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: The lists, no, because we’re just 50-50ing them, just splitting 50-50. Like, we’ll get a bunch of good data from a lot of rich investors, blah, blah, so on and then just run the bot to get actives and then you rank them up.
Junseth: Where’s his fucking source of leads? That’s crazy. Is he not buying from the dark web?
Daniel: No, no. Dark web doesn’t have anything. That’s not really…honestly, we know some actual Chinese and Russian hackers. Like, genuine hackers. Like that, we don’t know how to hack, we just know how to social engineer and shit, and like, sim swap.
Junseth: You guys are good at it
Daniel: Yeah, thank you. But, um, yeah, we actually have hackers that we know that we like purchased off. So like for example, for like a really, really good database, we’ll pay like $100k to $200k for it, and then that’ll give us like 800k plus, you know what I mean? You’ll pay, like pay more.
Junsethl: You’ll pay Russians in crypto
Daniel: Yep, and they’ll send us it.
Junseth: Do they only accept Bitcoin?
Daniel: They only accept crypto. It’s not just Bitcoin, some whatever E…
Junseth: So they’ll take whatever you got?
Daniel: Yeah, pretty much
Junseth: That’s crazy
Daniel: But like I have a friend, my friend who has like $40 million, he’s a regular kid, he posts on Instagram like a regular kid just him outside and shit, you know what I mean? Like you’d never know that this kid has like almost nine figures.
Junseth: How long before he spends it though? How many years is he waiting?
Daniel: He’s been spending it, he’s been spending it. But he’s spending it smartly. He’s not very public, he doesn’t post anything. He doesn’t care about the attention, he just likes having fun.
Junseth: Okay, so he’s like clubs?
Daniel: Yeah, like no one knows, yeah
Junseth: His parents don’t know?
Daniel: Um, I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know if his parents know or not. If I were to have to say, I would say they probably do know. I mean, like, their son is driving around like Ferraris and shit at 16…
Junseth: Laughing
Daniel:…and he’s not coming from a rich family.
Junseth: Did your friend approach you or did you figure it out what he was doing?
Daniel: I’m not gonna lie, we all met playing Minecraft when we were like 10 years old and we all just grew from there like together.
Junseth: And then you’re, what, playing a game and you’re squeakers?
Daniel: Yeah, we’re just playing a game and talking and then we need someone that like knows how to make money like hacking and stuff and then he starts like using us for call slaving, so he’ll be like I’ll give you this much and all you do is sit here and call people and say the script and do it.
Junseth: So he’s like the mastermind, you guys are, he’s the one that figured out the phone stuff…
Daniel: And then we’re making like pennies and s***, so we’re doing this for some random person and then as we do we get better and better and we start realizing okay this is actually how you do shit then we whatever abandon him and we just start growing on our own and getting better and better.
Junseth: And the one who disappeared?
Daniel: The one from before? I don’t know, we don’t talk to him…he was just…like majority of people that do what we do have around like $10k to $50k because they struggle getting good targets, getting good data, because like, getting good databases, like the one I’m calling you on now, that’s very difficult, and no one has like, this type of like, this type of data. A lot of people just have garbage data, like public data, like people, because they don’t have enough money to pay for the good data.
Junseth: The good database is like $200K?
Daniel: Yeah, so they just run like garbage databases, and make like a thousand dollars, two thousand dollars, three thousand dollars, you know what I mean? Like small amounts here and there. But what we go after, we go after whales, like $500k plus.
Junseth: Nice
Daniel: And they’re very doable, it’s honestly not that difficult.
Junseth: Of the people that hit one, is it mostly old people?
Daniel: No
Junseth: Really?
Daniel: Honestly, no. I get so many. The guy with the $30K feed yesterday, he was 30. He was like 35.
Junseth: Poor guy
Daniel: I know, but like, how are you like, I don’t know. It’s because like the way, because we know how to speak to people. We know what like drives human psychology: greed and fear. You know what I mean? So they’re like convinced the target, they’re going to get something good or something bad’s gonna happen if they don’t comply, you know what I mean?
Junseth: Look, I’ve talked to three of you so far, you guys are phenomenally good. I can’t even tell you, I know what it is, so I just like to go as far as I can down the rabbit hole, but you guys are phenomenally good at that.
Daniel: Yeah, like-
Junseth: It’s weird given your age
Daniel: Like what we do all day every day. It’s just like great. You just make a ton of money, and then we have fun at night time. We’ll go out. We’ll go do some fun shit. Drive around cool cars like renting massive mansion Airbnb, like, and just have fun.
Junseth: You hang out together? So you actually know each other in person now.
Daniel: Oh, yeah, yeah. We’ve all like known each other since we were like literal children.
Junseth: I just thought you meant online, but you guys actually do live near each other and stuff.
Daniel: Well yeah, we all moved to like L.A. area because we started making so much fucking money and we want to have fun, you know, and L.A. is a nice, I wouldn’t say it’s a nice area, but if you live obviously in a penthouse above everyone else, it’s fun like my friend was paying $20K a month for his penthouse, it was beautiful, it was so nice.
Junseth: So you wanna do that next year?
Daniel: It genuinely feels like you’re playing a video game. It’s like Grand Theft Auto vibe, like you just have unlimited money.
Junseth: Right, I get it, it’s what call, it’s a ratio, right? Calls you get to amount of money you get.
Daniel: Hmhm. Like if you decide to sit down and grind every day all day, you’ll make money. I guarantee, if you’re good at what you do.
Junseth: I have a sick admiration for what you’re doing, despite finding it disgusting.
Daniel: No, I’m not gonna lie. Like recently, because I started this when I was younger. So like, kind of like I had no morals to like, guide me with this, you know what I mean? Like, this was just like fun and easy, so on. But like now the more that I think about it, like last night I was thinking about it while watching a movie, like…
Junseth: And?
(Silence)
Junseth: Did I lose you?
Daniel: What Ransomware is?
Junseth: Yeah, I know what ransomware is.
Daniel: Look, I have other friends who do ransomware and that shit is very federal though. Like, if you do ransomware, the majority of them go to prison because that’s like actually like extorting a company to give you money. Like, they will track you down and find you. But with this, it’s all consumers, it’s individual people. You’re hacking individuals. You know what I mean?
Junseth: Yeah
Daniel: So it’s like not as, like majority of the time, it goes unreported.
Junseth: Even for big amounts?
Daniel: I mean, for big amounts, they report it, but what are they gonna do? They’re gonna be like, okay, so what happened? Oh, I gave up my seed phrase to this guy who called me. Then they’re just gonna laugh in your face, you know what I mean?
Junseth: Yeah, no that makes sense. Wow. So don’t do crypto lockers.
Daniel: What do you mean? What’s a crypto locker?
Junseth: The ransomware. Don’t do ransomware unless you’re Russian.
Daniel: No
Junseth: and you’re off US soil
Daniel: Yeah
Junseth: But do social engineering if you’re on US soil
Daniel: 100%, social engineering is great. Also, I would say don’t keep money in any exchanges keep your money in your Trezor or Ledger And don’t give that shit out
Junseth: And how you better what they say hide seed phrases in the ground
Daniel: Yeah, hide your seed phrases
Junseth: Man oh man
Daniel: But I wouldn’t keep money in Coinbase, Binance, Kraken, anything that’s like you can easily hack that shit.
Junseth: That’s crazy
Daniel: Mmhm
Junseth: Daniel, fake name, I guess you know my real name. It’s been a weird pleasure.
Daniel: Yeah, it was a fun talk
Junseth: Don’t know what to tell you, you should stop doing this. It’s gonna get you caught.
Daniel: I agree. I’m gonna hit my goal and then I’m just going to chill and build a business, probably. I’m going to probably do financial consulting or something after this.
Junseth: You’ll be very good at getting clients
Daniel: Yeah, because I know how to speak to people. That’s all I do all day, every day. Speak to people on the phone.
Junseth: How are you going to explain that for your first job?
Daniel: How am I going to explain?
Junseth: “I used to do social engineering attacks.” Man, you’re driven.
Daniel: Yeah, it takes a lot, especially when you have days, because there’s days where there’s like droughts where like I call for seven hours a day, like three days straight, and make zero dollars because everyone’s just going to f*** off when I get on the phone.
Junseth: Huh
Daniel: But I know, I always know when there’s a storm, there’s always a rainbow at the end. So I just keep it pushing. I remember I was telling my girlfriend that the other day, ‘cause I was, because I went like three days without making any money, or I made like $3k. But that’s like nothing to us, you know what I mean?
Junseth: Does she know what you do?
Daniel: Yeah, which is a very big liability.
Junseth: That’s a liability
Daniel: I told her when I was younger so
Junseth: So I’ve seen been dating her a while
Daniel: Yeah
Junseth: Oh okay
Daniel: But like right after that we hit the, whatever it was 13 Bitcoin
Junseth: Oh, that’s, wow
Daniel: Wish I got paid more though. Unfortunately, I had to give my friend a larger cut cause my friend wasn’t home so I had someone else call him ‘cause I already had his gmail. So I only got like literally five different people be all set up, so I called him for the gmail, then my friend called him for the Kraken and hacked his Kraken, took like $2k from his Kraken, and told him that it’s just placed on a 48-hour blah blah blah, he’s gonna receive the money 48 hours, then my other friend called him from Swan BTC. He had $0 in his Swan, but then we tried getting his ledger or his Trezor seed and he was like, he was like, I’m never giving that up, blah, blah. And we just kept pressing him to figure out how much he has in there and told him it was related to tax information, that’s why he had to tell us because he needed to send in his public key so we can do it for taxes at Kraken. And he sent his public key for Bitcoin to see all his transactions, how much he has, and we’re like, oh shit, he’s loaded. Next day, got my other friend a call from Trezor and we cashed out.
Junseth: You called if as if you were from Trezor?
Daniel: Yeah, literally called him as Trezor support, and we had like a fake website that obviously was identical to Trezor and he went on there and put a dispute on there.
Junseth: Oh wow
Daniel: Yeah, s*** ridiculous
Junseth: Sounds easy man. That sounds very, very easy.
Daniel: It’s, once you know everything you’re doing, it is very easy, once you like understand everything.
Junseth: Fucking A. How old are you? 16?
Daniel: Can’t say that but uh, I am a minor.
Junseth: 16?
Daniel: Can’t say that but I am a minor.
Junseth: When did you start doing this?
Daniel: Like 13. So for what, and most of these kids that do what I do all come from Minecraft. I swear to God, there’s so much Minecraft kids that like, just do this shit. I don’t know why, like my friend. I have a friend who’s 13-years-old. I’m not really friends. He’s a business partner. But he’s 13 and he has around $8 million. Right now his parents don’t know he’s got eight million dollars, and he spent around $400 thousand dollars on rare Minecraft names. So he has, like Coinbase, the name Coinbase on Minecraft, he is like every single rare name. Spent $400 grand on that shit.
Junseth: And he did this?
Daniel: What?
Junseth: He did this?
Daniel: Yeah. Literally, like, he was like stacking like 1 mil, 2 mil, 3 mil, and he was just stacking it up. And it’s like, it’s almost like it’s not real money. You know what I mean? He got it so easily, it’s like it’s not even real. He just spends it, and gets more. That’s another drink a day.
Junseth: Jesus. All right
Daniel: All right. Well, I’m gonna get back to calling.
Junseth: Good luck.
Daniel: All right, thank you. Bye-bye
Junseth: Bye
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